President Bush

[Blade]

What do you think of our idiodic leader.

Personally, I hate his guts :mad:

[Shape]

Wow. What a well thought out, intelligent post, with exellent reasoning behind it.

not.


you are gonna be way to easy to tear apart in debates with gems like that.

[Flurry]

Wiseguy will jump on this thread ive had a discussion with him on it before some where else.

[Blade]

ShapeShifter,I didn't ask what people thought about my entry, I asked them their oppinion's of Bush and how he has been running this country.

[Neil]

ShapeShifter,I didn't ask what people thought about my entry, I asked them their oppinion's of Bush and how he has been running this country.

"This" country being America, since some of us don't reside there.. lol :shh:

[Shape]

it's late, and i dont feel like getting political. i will later this weekend.

but i can already tell by your post what type person(politically at least) you are. and your type bug me. sorry.

[Flurry]

Well I dont Hate but i dont love him, He has made some dumb desicions in his Terms.

[El Wiseguy]

What do you think of our idiodic leader.

Personally, I hate his guts

For being in the Real Life section you certainly did start this out right, didn't you? Excellent. Our 'idiotic' leader... *sigh*

Good way to start a debate about someone whom others may not share the same opinion to you about. Watch this.

I think he's a great leader and is doing the right thing by not sitting on his duff and actually holding countries accountable to what they claim. I'm glad he was in Office when all of this went down. Better him than any Democrat. If Kerry or Gore were President when everything has happened, Saddam would still be in Office, Abu Zarqawi would be planning our next attack, and Osama would be publicly walking about and not hiding.

Sure, do things suck for a bit? Yeah, that's the way war is. That is life. But the outcome is the most important thing. Things are getting done. Is it taking time and lifes? Yeap, but that's the cost of doing things when you actually get your feet and your hands into the actual work of what needs to be done.

My point? People blame everything on Bush. What would be different if he weren't in office? Just tell me.

[SwirlingLights]

To be quite honest I like the guy, you've got to admit he IS better than what Al Gore would've amounted to...or maybe it's just 'cause I'm not for democrats and me being a Repub. so yeah that was a pointless thing but w/e

Edit:
The guy does try and run the country in a resonable way as well. I mean the war thing in Iraq is good, yes I sympathize for all those who die and are fighting to for the country but at least he's trying to prove something. As oppose to Al who would be like world peace and stopping all the wars. Wars in my oppinion are a good thing. 'Cause when you think about it looking back at our past wars we've learned many things.

Maybe all I just said didn't make sense...but then I was just rambling on so ignore me? plus i got off the topic...i think

Although...what reason do you have to support your reason for saying he's an idiot?

[El Wiseguy]

Although...what reason do you have to support your reason for saying he's an idiot?

I almost guarantee that Oil, His Public Speaking Ability, and WMD's will be in his argument. Oh and the Economy. None of which are valid arguments.

By the way, we just found a freaking butt-load of WMD's in Iraq.

[SwirlingLights]

Yeah, agreeded...i mean especially speaking...we won't get into that 'cause it's just a prob he has ^^

omgoshers, really? or are you just playin? *looks up an article* guess I have to watch the news or read the paper when I actually have the time...other than all night <_< >_>

[Flurry]

All of those weapons are old and barely usable tho 0_o i dont hate him but i do hate the cabinet.

and this is not a war this is a oh i odnt know how to put it but the last real war was WW2

[Shape]

and this is not a war
then what is it?

[demontenchi]

Well Blade i dont think much about the Political leaders of the US(even though i live in the US) cuz i really dont care as long its not a person who is exacatlay like Hitler-thats as far as i go in to polotics

[Flurry]

then what is it?

more of a hunt it is not a war unless congress approves of it fully or something i learned it in 6th grade and the last real war was WW2

[SwirlingLights]

Then why do so many people put it under the catagory of war...

[demontenchi]

Politics and ppl think that soliders who are overseas emedently think its a war since the country sent soliders

[SwirlingLights]

Well, I mean when you think about it, it is a war...I can't think of how to describe it...It'll come eventually.

[demontenchi]

Yeah but i dont relly see much about it right now in the news papers,i dont even know what to call it either, its kinda complicated

[El Wiseguy]

more of a hunt it is not a war unless congress approves of it fully or something i learned it in 6th grade and the last real war was WW2

Erm... the House and the Senate BOTH passed the War in Iraq. Sorry buddy, you're wrong on this one.

Also, what's funny is that everyone thinks that this is Bush's war. Go read the facts people. Both the House and the Senate has to vote for him to be able to actually have the funding for it. So, you're going to have to blame everyone else too. That's if you're one of those people have to blame everything and can't just accept things you can't change.

[demontenchi]

YEAH i hear it alot of times Bush's war how is it his war alone

[Shape]

What's funny is, all Bush did was put the plans into action that had already been there since the Clinton administration. Now, the execution of the war is certainly debatable.

[demontenchi]

Wars never go any where they just led to more troubles,but we also cant back down or where just going to have more terriots in the us blowing up stuff , the world probably will never actually stop having wars

[El Wiseguy]

Well, the world will never stop having wars. There will always be people who will use death and destruction to try to get their way and the only way to fight it is with challenging them and letting them know they cannot get their way. Freedom always comes with a price. We just have to appreciate the freedom we have and realize that it wasn't free...

[CheeSy]

Well John Howard ( Prime Minister of Australia ) Is basically a Bush wannabe.. Meaning aussies like Bush but I quite frankly don't.

[El Wiseguy]

Well, I'm perfectly fine with people having their opinion of Bush. I just get sick of hearing the same tired arguments over and over again as to why they "hate" him so much. What's even funnier is that those arguments don't even apply anymore and most have been proven wrong.

My friend put it this way. Almost every person we run into that hates Bush spouts the same thing everytime. They say their conclusion first. Then, when we go to argue they have nothing more to say cuz they just spouted their conclusion. lol It's fun.

Anyway, what's awesome is how the Media will put all the bad things that are happening on the front page and then all the good things don't make the paper at all... and if they do, it's page 43 and one paragraph reading, "Iraqi kids get their first school lesson." or "Iraqi woman drives for the first time."

People don't hear about those stories... it's so sad to know that good things are happening, but only the bad news sells. So, all the bad news is what you'll hear. So, that's all you see and therefore you formulate an opinion based on all bad news. Good job. You now have a scewed opinion on something that's based on one side. Congrats.

[Sakurako Shiina]

Personaly... I think nothing of him. I didn't quite like him at first but really... With what he's doing and stuff =P He is trying hard? Yeah... well being from Canada and stuffies... O.O I have no option?

[crazeekillsall]

I'm no huge fan-but he got a hell of a fucked up situation arise 5 years ago (coming up to) and the critics would be just as loud had action not been taken. If not louder.
'They kill us on our soil and Bush took no action?!?'

People were then stunned when he got re elected...what sort of message would have been sent if halfway through the 'war' (side note; I was under the impression 'war' was a dirty word and 'conflict' was better in terms of the media?)the leaders change. Nothing but a sign of weakness. So he had to stay.

[dark_itachi12]

George Bush rox! why you say that for?

[flamingmonkey]

What is this with not labelling it a war? Troops have been sent off to a foreign land and engaged with their military in an aggressive fashion. What else is it? It's a war. C'est guerre. Est ist Krieg. You want it in maths? USA + Iraq - WMD's = WAR. HELLO??? GAHHHHHHHH!!!



*calms down*
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[crazeekillsall]

Nothing good is associated with war.
People hear 'war' and all the history of the past century comes flooding back.

People hear 'conflict' or 'operation' and it doesn't have the same knee jerk reaction.

[demontenchi]

YEah but that aint true , ppl could just be thinking about it but never showing it .. like news they only do the news about it if it is serious, or if its a really big conflict in the area of were u live-- but when ever one hears war then they start flocking to the topic

[CheeSy]

Ok, go to google, type FAILURE, and click I'm feeling lucky

[El Wiseguy]

Yeah, that means nothing. It just means someone was bored enough to be stupid.

[Fallen_Angel]

Personally I don't really like Bush, but I will admit he has done some good things for this country. However, I don't really agree with a lot of his ideas on drilling for oil (even though wiseguy said that wasn't a valid argument). BUt I really don;t agree with his whole wanting to drill in ANWR.

[demontenchi]

I havent heard that one, probably cuz i dont read the newspaper that much or wacth the news that much so i have no idea about that but some times i do

[kiisugirl]

i will be quiet...because he is not president of my country :P
im from europe

i have heard that he will quit

[Fallen_Angel]

Please don't double post. You can edit your post if you feel the need to. And he wont quit. Because he is on his last term year in office. You can only have 2 terms, and each term is 4 years. So he is on his second term. After he is done with this term he can no longer be president.

[demontenchi]

Yeah Fallen is right but uknow what i wonder who would be the next President

[CheeSy]

Me, USA will be called the United states of CheeSy :D

[Fallen_Angel]

haha That would be a day to remember then. :p

[demontenchi]

Yeah what would u do give us Cheese:lookweird:

[Fallen_Angel]

. . . What kinda cheese would we get??:lookweird:

[flamingmonkey]

Can a deal be struck to supply the UK with cheese?

[demontenchi]

PRobably Motserala cheese ilike blue cheese though, but for real who would be the next president and from what party, flame that might be an idea there

[flamingmonkey]

Sweet!!! (or perhaps savoury??)

[El Wiseguy]

Please get back on topic or I will be forced to close this thread. :)

[Sorariku-chan]

Wow, just wow...

How in the world did a thread about President George W. Bush, go from him to the subject of cheese...?

Anyway, for the sake of staying on-topic...

I personally don't hate him or like him. I'm more-so, inbetween. sure, the whole thing with the war and yada, yada, etc. But, I'm sorry, the same thing would have happened with another president. It was clearly inevitable. Then again, this is my opinion so don't go jumping on me because of it. ;D

[Fallen_Angel]

Yeah, but the thing being is that Bush kinda had a little warning about the whole 9-11 thing, or at least that's what they have kinda been telling people (don't really know if he did or not though) So the whole war thing might never have happened. But I think it would have been kinda interesting to see how some one else would have handled the whole situation.

hehe What is the next president is from the Green party? That would be a little different I would think . . . But I think the whole issue of who's party the next president will come from, probably depends more on what Bush does with his remaining years in office. And if people feel that the same party should stay in control to kinda help tie things up with what Bush had set out. Or if they feel that a new party would be better suited to run the nation. Or I might just be giving a lot of Americans to much credit to think like that.

[El Wiseguy]

Yeah, but the thing being is that Bush kinda had a little warning about the whole 9-11 thing, or at least that's what they have kinda been telling people (don't really know if he did or not though)

There's actually no real proof of this. I also believe that if our President knew the time and day of something then I don't think it would have happened.

So the whole war thing might never have happened.

The war in Iraq would have happened one way or another with or without Bush now or later. Someone was going to be doing this at some point. People have just chosen Bush to be the frontrunner for their hate.



Bush is going a good job right now. He's really proving a lot of people wrong by following through with his original plan and sticking it out. There's a lot of progress made and we're so much further ahead than where we were before.

[Fallen_Angel]

As to the first thing, the whole no proof thing, that's why I said "don't really know if he did or not though", because it was speculated, depending on who you talk to, that he did know. As to the second point you made; it was for if, and I stress if, he had an idea of what was going on then the whole war thing might not have happened how it did. I'm not saying that the war would have never came but if things were done differently there might have been a better way around the whole issue that we face now. However, they would have had to be done differently a way long time ago. And I'm not saying that he isn't doing a bad job. I just think it would be interesting to see how someone else would have handled the situation, if they were in his place.

[American Liberator]

I think President Bush has done alot of good for the world, and this nation, but the prices have been high.

[SilentSorrows929]

He's doing a good job, but I just can't seem to like him. -.-'

[flamingmonkey]

Boris Johnson and him should get together. They'd be great friends. If you don't know who Boris is, then check on wiki for a great description!

Edit: tadaa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson

[Eruruu_san]

What do you think of our idiodic leader.

Personally, I hate his guts :mad:

AGGRED!

[El Wiseguy]

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but I would venture to say you have a horrible reason for your hatred.

[ZeroEverlast]

Feh, I'm not a big fan of his, but I could care less.

And by that, I mean I couldn't care less, since he hasn't affected my life that much as of yet. Just happy he's not leading my country is all.

[Mena Mekinem]

Hmm... bush is a guy who runs amreica to me. Even though blair is an idot at the moment. I can't really say i like him or not 'cause i live in england and i don't know much about him. But i knew a few people that really hate him. It really confuses me. Bush runs america for ten years is it? And i think if people didn't want him in the office then they wouldn't have choosen him. It's like labour too actually. If we didn't want blair we wouldn't have picked him, simple. But hell its up to you guys really. I just think bush is ok...

heh

_Mena-sama xXx

[flamingmonkey]

It's Blair who's been in charge for 10 years (well, it will be). I blame the two-party system. Simply put: to win an election in America, discredit the other side so much that the people have to vote for you, or not at all. In a nation where democracy is one of the highest ideals (the foundation for the American war of Independence), people will vote. It's a flaw that becomes all-to-easy to exploit.

[Vector]

Even though i don't live in the US i think he's doin a pretty good job. But that's for my own reasons wich i'd better not state xD! i have a wicked and heartless mind, one of the reasons why i'm so lonly:( ah well i'm only 16 so don't realy think my oppinion counts:thumbs:

[inu......yasha!!!2]

I would venture to say you have a horrible reason for your hatred.[/QUOTE]
i would too. my dad voted 4 him. he killed thousands of prople. my dad almost died because of him!!!:mad: :( im really mad

[El Wiseguy]

And yet you fail to see what the reason is behind anything. You only see what effects you and no one else.

[ZeroEverlast]

And yet you fail to see what the reason is behind anything. You only see what effects you and no one else.

Sorry Wiseguy, that logic is flawed.

If everyone were to see 'the greater picture', then who would be left to stand up for their own interests?

The very principle of democracy lies in this notion: everyone looking out for their own interests and voting for the candidate who will represent them.



Anyhoo. I'm no big fan of President Bush, and in fact I greatly dislike his government, but I'm also sick and tired of ignorant little shits running around criticizing him because it's the "cool" thing to do.

[CorruptedPlague]

mr know it all

[El Wiseguy]

No, the logic doesn't fail. There IS a bigger picture with certain things that we, ourselves, must sacrifice to gain a great common good. Sound too morally just and "goody goody" to you? Well, that's too bad. There are things in this world that certain people do for the greater good with a sacrifice to themselves, believe it or not.

[Sorariku-chan]

I used to like President Bush, I seriously did, I was all for him. :0 And I dunno but then in this year my opinion on him has changed drastically.

And no I'm doing it because the kids think it's cool <w< I don't just say, "OMG. He is liek teh zux0rs ulta-733t phail. Banbanban! D8<" because le kiddies think ish teh new hot thing.

[ZeroEverlast]

No, the logic doesn't fail. There IS a bigger picture with certain things that we, ourselves, must sacrifice to gain a great common good. Sound too morally just and "goody goody" to you? Well, that's too bad. There are things in this world that certain people do for the greater good with a sacrifice to themselves, believe it or not.

Congratulations, you've just proved that you understood nothing of my post.

"Too morally just and 'goody goody'"? What have you been smoking?

First off, the logic used to back-up your previous argument is in itself flawed again. Basically, you're bashing others for looking out for themselves. You claim that "they fail to see the reason behind anything; they see only what affects them and no one else". You also speak a great deal about 'greater good', 'moral justice' and 'self-sacrifice'.

Hence, people absolutely have to adore Mr Bush and vote for him, otherwise your ever-friendly Mr Wiseguy brands them heretics.

I mean, 'morally just' people would look out for the 'greater good', right?? And, according to one of your previous posts, those who dislike Bush and his ways cannot possibly be anything other than short-sighted fools, so voting for another candidate would've been blasphemy in itself!

So let's recapitulate your position:
-Bush administration = greater good.
-People disliking him = heretics (or, if that's too far of a stretch, "people who obviously aren't moral").
-Looking out for yourself, and caring about what affects you = being shortsighted.

Do you consider yourself a big defender of democracy, Brian? Because using this 'logic' of yours, there would be no need for it at all.

You've made it abundantly clear that since I didn't share your opinions, I lacked morality. In your perfect little world, there would be no need for elections! No, because you don't agree with the notion that people should vote for the candidate who will protect their interests. Of course not! That'd be being shortsighted! They SHOULD vote for the candidate that will progress towards Mr Wiseguy's definition of 'the greater good'.

Hell, why don't we call it a day and scrap democracy right now, hm? We'll let Mr Wiseguy decide who the next president'll be. After all, he seems very intent on preaching and admonishing your 'lack of morality' if you disagree with him.

[El Wiseguy]

Great, I knew you would make more of this than necessary.

Hhmm, sounds like you have a stick up your butt and can't figure out what I'm saying.

Basically, you're bashing others for looking out for themselves. You claim that "they fail to see the reason behind anything; they see only what affects them and no one else". You also speak a great deal about 'greater good', 'moral justice' and 'self-sacrifice'.

Basically, no I'm not. You can't basically say that because I basically didn't bash anyone for looking out for themselves. You basically put those words basically into my mouth.

I was saying however, that there ARE people that do sacrifice themselves for something that not everyone else understands that maybe greater than an idea or a feeling.



Hence, people absolutely have to adore Mr Bush and vote for him, otherwise your ever-friendly Mr Wiseguy brands them heretics.

Wow, nice. Way to put words in my mouth. Don't like Bush? That's your business. It's your opinion. But you just expressed it in public and now it's subject to disagreement by whoever wants to. I don't necessary think he's "numba won!" but I think he's doing the best job he can do. Am I entitled to my opinion too?

Nope, I'm condemning everyone aren't I!? Yes, I must be because I also have an opinion.

I mean, 'morally just' people would look out for the 'greater good', right?? And, according to one of your previous posts, those who dislike Bush and his ways cannot possibly be anything other than short-sighted fools, so voting for another candidate would've been blasphemy in itself!

It's amazing how you can pull so much out of a small 3 sentence paragraph of mine.


Let's take a look at what I said and how you're taking it, shall we?

There IS a bigger picture with certain things that we, ourselves, must sacrifice to gain a greater common good.

General statement. I didn't see me mention Bush or a war here. Let's see an example here:

Perhaps I was saying that there are people out there that go out on missions trips to bring food to other people. They're sacrificing time for a greater good of other people.

Now, let's look at it how it could be applied to the war. There could be people involved in the war that could be there with a genuine objective to help all civilians they come into contact with. Such as bringing food, school supplies, and other supplies to the general population.

Is this previous statement truth? Yes it is. How? Because I'm speakig in possibility and I'm not saying "this is this and this isn't" in definites.

Now, let's move along.


ound too morally just and "goody goody" to you? Well, that's too bad.

This was basically a sarcastic point in which I was stating that you may not believe what I wrote that some people actually do work for a greater cause than their own personal goals (such as working to help others in their lives) but there are actual people that are like this.

Again, possibilities Zero. Do you see them!?!? Prob not.

There are things in this world that certain people do for the greater good with a sacrifice to themselves, believe it or not.

Less sarcastic reiteration of my previous statement.

So let's recapitulate your position:

Ok, let's.

-Bush administration = greater good.

Wow, never said that. Amazing. You speculate alot, don't you? Now, let's find out what I really said.

I said that there are people in the world that do sacrifice themselves for a greater goal that not everyone else sees.

-People disliking him = heretics (or, if that's too far of a stretch, "people who obviously aren't moral").

I don't think I even need to touch this one. It's just not truth.

-Looking out for yourself, and caring about what affects you = being shortsighted.


Never said looking out for yourself was bad. Not even once. If you can find it, that would be great, though.

Stating that it's a greater thing to look out for others moreso than yourself I do believe is a debatable truth.

Do you consider yourself a big defender of democracy, Brian? Because using this 'logic' of yours, there would be no need for it at all.

I have no need to defend democracy.

You've made it abundantly clear that since I didn't share your opinions, I lacked morality.

No, no I didn't.


In your perfect little world, there would be no need for elections! No, because you don't agree with the notion that people should vote for the candidate who will protect their interests. Of course not! That'd be being shortsighted! They SHOULD vote for the candidate that will progress towards Mr Wiseguy's definition of 'the greater good'.

Nice. You're amazing at blowing things out of proportion and drawing meaning that only serves for you to debate on what was only speculated and assumed.

Hell, why don't we call it a day and scrap democracy right now, hm? We'll let Mr Wiseguy decide who the next president'll be. After all, he seems very intent on preaching and admonishing your 'lack of morality' if you disagree with him.

Again, you must be the master of speculation and drawing conclusion of your own accord. Congrats on getting absolutely everything wrong.


Let's say what this is. You and I have different views of what is this and that. We're not going to agree on "logic".

[demontenchi]

Ok i just wanted to say this cuz looking at the past post of the war part (well first is Bush does not declare war so that means ppl who hate bush cant blame him for the war thats going on cuz he cant bring the soliders back till congress says so, so Ppl who hate bush cuz of the war its not comepletely his fault its Congresses fault as well)thats all i wanted to say cuz im tired of ppl saying the war in Iraq is Bushe's fault when its Accutaly Congresses fault as well (but u know what i really dont care of the matter of Bush)

[ZeroEverlast]

Great, I knew you would make more of this than necessary.

Hhmm, sounds like you have a stick up your butt and can't figure out what I'm saying.



Basically, no I'm not. You can't basically say that because I basically didn't bash anyone for looking out for themselves. You basically put those words basically into my mouth.

I was saying however, that there ARE people that do sacrifice themselves for something that not everyone else understands that maybe greater than an idea or a feeling.




Wow, nice. Way to put words in my mouth. Don't like Bush? That's your business. It's your opinion. But you just expressed it in public and now it's subject to disagreement by whoever wants to. I don't necessary think he's "numba won!" but I think he's doing the best job he can do. Am I entitled to my opinion too?

Nope, I'm condemning everyone aren't I!? Yes, I must be because I also have an opinion.



It's amazing how you can pull so much out of a small 3 sentence paragraph of mine.


Let's take a look at what I said and how you're taking it, shall we?



General statement. I didn't see me mention Bush or a war here. Let's see an example here:

Perhaps I was saying that there are people out there that go out on missions trips to bring food to other people. They're sacrificing time for a greater good of other people.

Now, let's look at it how it could be applied to the war. There could be people involved in the war that could be there with a genuine objective to help all civilians they come into contact with. Such as bringing food, school supplies, and other supplies to the general population.

Is this previous statement truth? Yes it is. How? Because I'm speakig in possibility and I'm not saying "this is this and this isn't" in definites.

Now, let's move along.




This was basically a sarcastic point in which I was stating that you may not believe what I wrote that some people actually do work for a greater cause than their own personal goals (such as working to help others in their lives) but there are actual people that are like this.

Again, possibilities Zero. Do you see them!?!? Prob not.



Less sarcastic reiteration of my previous statement.



Ok, let's.



Wow, never said that. Amazing. You speculate alot, don't you? Now, let's find out what I really said.

I said that there are people in the world that do sacrifice themselves for a greater goal that not everyone else sees.



I don't think I even need to touch this one. It's just not truth.



Never said looking out for yourself was bad. Not even once. If you can find it, that would be great, though.

Stating that it's a greater thing to look out for others moreso than yourself I do believe is a debatable truth.



I have no need to defend democracy.



No, no I didn't.



Nice. You're amazing at blowing things out of proportion and drawing meaning that only serves for you to debate on what was only speculated and assumed.



Again, you must be the master of speculation and drawing conclusion of your own accord. Congrats on getting absolutely everything wrong.


Let's say what this is. You and I have different views of what is this and that. We're not going to agree on "logic".

Oh, good job denying and taking excerpts out of context. :thumbs:

To be commented on later.

[El Wiseguy]

Oh, good job denying and taking excerpts out of context.

Me? Wow, how about pulling the plank out of your own eye before trying to pull the spec out of someone elses. You pulled your full page response out of my 5 sentences.


Sure why not. This is all going to irrelevant crap. End it now. No point, this is all useless. Just admit that you took everything I said and decided to draw long and drawn out conclusions that were completely irrelevant.

But sure, let's see what you're going to do. I can already write it all out so you don't have to.

"You said 'morally just' and then said you weren't talking about morals, LOL".

Sure, sure.

Let's see you disect my entire post. You'll take each thing and then go back and you'll say that I'm denying that I said this and that. It all comes down to how you took what I said vice how it was given.

You and I will never agree on this topic, my friend.

[flamingmonkey]

Why don't you both just admit you don't have the foggiest idea about what the other is saying and that you probably agree on the same things but are expressing them in different ways. Zero is upset by what he perceives as a post against democracy and people's natural desire to look after number one. Wise didn't intend to cause offence and was merely commentating that there are peole who can override their desires and strive for what they percieve to be the common good. Now calm down. Please?

[El Wiseguy]

lol

Yeah, Flaming we've been doing these debates for the better part of a few years on another forum where we also visit. But, you're right, sorta. I don't think Charlie is offended at my statements about Democracy. He's more making snide remarks about it.

He's more offended at the fact that he thinks that I'm saying that everyone else's moral value isn't as good if they don't support the war (which I wasn't saying at all). He doesn't like it when people act like other people's morals aren't as good as their own because he thinks morals are all relative.

In this it bothers him when he see's someone he thinks is acting "better" than other people because they think their way of believing is better than everyone elses.

Therefore, you're correct in at least one thing here. We will never agree.

But, this isn't a debate about that anymore... it's now about who is going to make the other persons logic wrong or not. Which, neither of us will concede even if one of us proves the other wrong.

[ZeroEverlast]

Okay!

I concede.

It was wrong to challenge your superior argumentative skills, Oh Mighty Wiseguy!


PS: No, I wasn't making snide remarks. And I wasn't personally offended either. But I DO mind that you somehow find it to be your unrelenting duty to bash on anyone who criticizes the Bush administration in one way or another.

All you do is void the validity of others' arguments. (By what right?) Where are your sources, Wiseguy? "We found a buttload of WMDs in Iraq." That's the first time I hear that one.

[inu......yasha!!!2]

Oh, good job denying and taking excerpts out of context. :thumbs:

To be commented on later.

Congrats. you broke my hopes. i really hope he dosnt get re-elected. a bomb fell in fron t of my dad and other troops by THE PRESIDENTS COMMAND!!!!!! of course IM MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:mad:

Me? Wow, how about pulling the plank out of your own eye before trying to pull the spec out of someone elses. You pulled your full page response out of my 5 sentences.


Sure why not. This is all going to irrelevant crap. End it now. No point, this is all useless. Just admit that you took everything I said and decided to draw long and drawn out conclusions that were completely irrelevant.

But sure, let's see what you're going to do. I can already write it all out so you don't have to.

"You said 'morally just' and then said you weren't talking about morals, LOL".

Sure, sure.

Let's see you disect my entire post. You'll take each thing and then go back and you'll say that I'm denying that I said this and that. It all comes down to how you took what I said vice how it was given.

You and I will never agree on this topic, my friend.

thats uncalled 4. that was very shallow. even 4 a serial killer.:eek: im very diss. in u.

*sorry 4 double posting*

[El Wiseguy]

Stop acting like you're a defender against a great power. Just because I speak my mind and I say what I think doesn't mean it even makes a real difference. The only time it does is when that other person takes it and makes it something important in their own mind.

I, in no way, have any real power in argument other than how the person on the other side takes it.


Everyone has a right to their opinion. That doesn't mean every opinion is right. Plus, just because I may be wrong about something doesn't mean I don't defend my point until I know I'm wrong. I'm just what you call stubborn.


So, if you dislike me and what I say so much then seriously come to me about it.

[Yuko Ichihara]

i hate him (thats it , theres nothing else i can say) im glad he cant run anymore

[Narkumi]

i hate him (thats it , theres nothing else i can say) im glad he cant run anymore

"I waz' hatin'on Busch b4 it waz' coolz!" :lmao:

Perhaps you hate him for DECLARING WAR OMFG! or simply because everyone else hates him. :P

People bitch about the state of the world and do absolutely nothing about it, except complain.

Ask yourself this:
Would you support a president who fights back in a war?
Or a president who would cry like a baby, begging for peace while we're still getting attacked?

Alot of people have this "Look the other Way" attitude. Like the whole 9/11 thing never happened, and act like Bush is some evil hitler lunatic on a rampage. :confused:

I dont think Bush is THE GREATEST president evar! but i think we're better off with bush than kerry/gore, any day

[Shape]

b00sh iz teh gr8t3st!!!!

he hax0rs th3 terroristz!

[El Wiseguy]

And I'm not kidding, Shape Shifter actually means that. lawl :D

[Maverick]

at least he's no pansie who would sit back and let the terroists have at u

[CorruptedPlague]

how many years does he have left

[Shape]

how many years does he have left
you're kidding, right?

figure it out, genius.


my 10 year old sister knows that for christs sake. :shake:

[Siziol]

how many years does he have left

Your idiotic comments have led me to despise you.

[Drieick62]

The whole system is screwed up. Their still using the Popular Vores?! They just used that when our country(America) was formed. So, incase 2 million votes were lost, they still had the popular vote. But, with computers, fax, ships, airplanes and all this technology.

The popular vote is the votes of the represenatives. The whole country could vote for someone, but if the Represenatives voted for the other guy, the other guy wins. Thats why no one votes anymore.

And, the whole reason the troops are in iraq is cause the Iraqi goverment is keeping em there. I'm not saying Bush is a good president. He's very hated here.

[El Wiseguy]

The representatives vote for the majority vote that they represent.


Say there are 4 counties in this state. 70% of the people vote for Candidate #1, the rep would vote for Candidate #1. So on and so forth with the other 3 in the state.

[pokeypillow]

i may live here but its like who ever fuckin said you had to like the government, law, or president for that matter?...

[Mikhile]

i may live here but its like who ever fuckin said you had to like the government, law, or president for that matter?...
If you don't like the law, move to Saddam's Iraq.

Your country's law is keeping you alive.

Edit: Also, give me your time machine.

[Angel of Music]

gawd! i hate Bush! he came here to hawaii last month and a police officer died because of him!

[El Wiseguy]

No, I'll tell you something. That police officer didn't die because of Bush. The police officer died because of some idiot that did something stupid. Bush didn't kill the officer. It was some other idiot that couldn't control themselves.

[Angel of Music]

i know but if bush didnt cum, that wuldnt hav happened =.=

[Shape]

i know but if bush didnt cum, that wuldnt hav happened =.=
no, if bush didn't cum he wouldn't of had 2 daughters.

retard.

[El Wiseguy]

i know but if bush didnt cum, that wuldnt hav happened =.=

No, it was the idiots fault who started it. I don't go act a fool when someone comes to town that I don't like.

[edelricluver]

President is an alright president. I've heard some say that he has been the worst, that's not true. We've had worse presidents in the past. I also know some don't believe in this war, I do. If we pull out now the terrorist will come over here..again and attack us. So, in conclusion, I like our president and support our troops. Thank you.

[Mr_Devious]

Okay wow...

You seem confused with that statment, first off the war. Which war do you mean, the one Bush is waging again insurgents in Afghanistan, or the one Bush is waging in Iraq, because I have no problem with the Afghanistan conflict, there it was justified. Now Iraq, okay Saddam has been taken care of, its time to pull out of there, let the Iraqis stand on there own. Because I will tell you now, it won't matter if our troops were to stay there for 5 more years. The situation will not change and will only get worse.

Another thing, lets get away from this talk of victory and defeat. If we leave Iraq it is not a defeat like politicians are saying, we went did what we said we would, its time to leave, and if all the Iraqis want to do is kill each other let them. The United States Military is not a police force.

You know, I do agree with statements saying that Bush is one of the worst presidents, but what is worse than him is the members of the executive branch. Especially Cheney and Rumsfeld, all the smart members of his cabinet jumped ship (Colon Powell). Bush has divided the nation and made terrible decisions, thats what makes him one of the worst.

Okay thats enough rant for one day, lol

[edelricluver]

President Bush is not one of the worst presidents we have had. Our worst president of my time has been Clinton. Iraq will never be a peaceful country, I know that but If we pull out now, they will come over here and kill many of our civilians.

[Mr_Devious]

Listen, if you genuinely think that the military staying in Iraq is going to stop future middle eastern terrorist attacks, you are more naive than I thought. Its not a slam against you, you are still pretty young, you have got alot yet to learn.

But seriously, there is nothing we could do, aside from nuking the entire middle east and annihilating everything over there, that will stop future attacks on civilian targets by middle eastern terrorists.
I will tell you now, that sometime in the future the United States will be attacked again, large, small, I don't know, but its already being planned by fanatics bent on the destruction of the west. We have seen it recently in Scotland and London, with those airport and bus bombings. And yes I know thats a terrible thing to say, and I don't want the US or any country being attacked by terrorists, any more than you do.
And merely keeping troops in Iraq will not do anything, Iraq is not our biggest concern, Saddam has been dealt with. Bring the troops home, thats what I say, but don't stop fighting the war on terror. The War in Iraq is not the war on terrorism, it is essential to know that.

[Narkumi]

But seriously, there is nothing we could do, aside from nuking the entire middle east and annihilating everything over there, that will stop future attacks on civilian targets by middle eastern terrorists.


That would work

[Vanity]

That would work

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[Siziol]

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is that how you do it in Kanadia? :D

[Vanity]

Amerikkka's perception of the world:

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