Tokyo/J-Pop

[CoreyBato]

I know I watch animes just like the rest of you but I swear to GOD, if I hear one more stupid ass J-Pop song, I am going to fly to Japan and shoot every J-Pop artist, and piss on the graves of all dead J-Pop stars. That music would make a deaf man cry. :mad:

[RPG_Masterz]

That's like stabbing yourself then saying SHIT I'M BLEEDING ZOMGNOOOOO. You failed miserably there. Worst thread evar number 2.

[CoreyBato]

What are you talking about?

[RPG_Masterz]

I'm recommending that you cut your ears off.

[CoreyBato]

Okay...You're not making much sense here.

[ZeroEverlast]

J-anything at all is equivalent to utter retardation.

[RPG_Masterz]

You don't like J-Pop so I'm recommending you cut your ears off.

[ZeroEverlast]

...Because you admit to watching and liking anime.

"J-"Pop and anime are inextricably linked, hence cut your ears off if you don't like listening to it.

[CoreyBato]

Ohhhhh. You could have said that the first time, man. I have a DV-R hooked up to my tv, so I just record my anime and fast forward over the opening song. Which is why I can say 'J-Pop sucks ass' and not be a hypocrite. Besides, its not like I'm lying. Why do you think there are musicians from all around the world that make it big in America except from Japan? No need for you to reply to that RPG_Master (yeah right), the question answers itself.

[staticgrave666]

Bato I am starting to lose my respect for you, look hating, any kind of music because of the language its in is stupid. I dare you to listen to a song like Shounen Heart by home made kazoku and not at least enjoying it a little. (I said that song because I know you've heard it, 2nd OP of Eureka seveN)Granted its J-rap still the same concept however.


Oh and to answer your 2nd question, its ignorant children like you who refuse to try new things. BTW, Tofu records has released J-pop stuff commercially and has made a good profit.

[CoreyBato]

I don't hate it cause I don't understand the language. I listen to Indian music and Latino rock. I hate J-Pop because it sucks. That's my problem with it Static. I have always been about keeping an open mind. In fact, I pride myself on trying to find good music from other countries. J-Pop just isn't all that good. And as for the songs in Eureka 7...I DV-r'ed the shows and skipped over the music so I haven't heard any of them. Sorry, man.

[staticgrave666]

Then take your ass to gendou and DL it, email me and I'll give you the link. Listen have you heard every J-pop song ever made? Then how can you say that? I dislike most contry music, yet I like Johnny Cash. Hating a genera of music is ignorants in my opinion.

[CoreyBato]

Dude, of course you like Johnny Cash...its Johnny Cash. And why would I listen to a J-Pop song when the entire purpose of creating this thread was to trash all things J-Pop related? It defeats the entire purpose of me posting this thread if I allowed myself to be so easily swayed into listening to shitty music.

[staticgrave666]

Then you cannot contest you ignorants and interm you lose.

[CoreyBato]

Haha! Look man, I have listened to J-Pop. Back before I had my DV-R, I used to sit infront of my T.V. and listen to a bunch of tone deaf females, sing songs that I always felt were beyond idiotic. I don't lose due to any kind of ignorance. I would not start an arguement of this type without having some prior knowledge of what I'm talking about. J-Pop is a direct example to how horrible music has gotten over the past 25 years. It sucks, simple as that Static. Sorry to have to be the one who tells you that.

[staticgrave666]

The fact that you don't realize that what you say is nothing more then your own opinion, adds to my point. If you don't like J-pop I can respect that, however an open minded person would at least listen to my recommendation and then make an in formed decision.

[CoreyBato]

:lmao: What? You still don't get it huh? I have made an informed decision! I have been watching anime as long as you and have listened to crappy anime theme song after crappy anime theme song, which gives me the ability to make as you say 'informed decisions'. Maybe you should re think your past staement and try again my friend. :shake: God, you are just too easy.

[staticgrave666]

So you listened to some bad J-pop, I was recomending what I felt was good J-pop and you refused to listen, thus, you are an ignorant child. In fact I was simple trying to help you, however, if you want to be difficult then its not worth my time. Come back in a few years, then perhaps we can talk as adults.

[CoreyBato]

I have listened to shitty J-Pop music that other people have thought were good and hated those. Case in point...any opening theme and ending theme song from InyuYasha. They all sucked, and I reserved myself to listening to them every Saturday night inorder to watch that show. It's a simple fact that you enjoy listenig to shitty music man. That can't be helped. And as far as you being more adult than me goes I have but one compound word to dispose of that idiotic belief in your head...Bullshit.

[ZeroEverlast]

CoreyBato: "The mute button! IT DOES NOTHING!!!!1 :mad: "

[Black Ashes]

stop right there. if you cant even stop and think about the fact that you just spent way too long argueing over something as meaning less as j-pop music...you aren't as mature as he is. he left the thread. he left because there was no reason. just stop.

[RPG_Masterz]

I don't hate it cause I don't understand the languagei.e: I'm ignorant.

Then you're not only basing your opinion by listening ONLY to anime J-Pop aka Sugarpop, but you're only listening to tune, rhythm, etc. In other words, you're pretty much listening to instrumentals.

Lyrics are a part of the song, but that's a personal opinion. I choose most of the rap songs I listen to solely on the lyrics and not just the beats.

Besides, its not like I'm lying. Why do you think there are musicians from all around the world that make it big in America except from Japan?Why do you make it like everybody has to goto America when they're already making good cash in wherevertheyare.

I used to sit infront of my T.V. and listen to a bunch of tone deaf females, sing songs that I always felt were beyond idiotic.But you don't understand the language. Point is nullified.

I would not start an arguement of this type without having some prior knowledge of what I'm talking about.All you've told us is how skilled you are in using your stupid DV-R. OHNOEZ.

I have been watching anime as long as you and have listened to crappy anime theme song after crappy anime theme song, which gives me the ability to make as you say 'informed decisions'.J-pop =/= anime theme songs....


You....kind of suck. O_o;

[CoreyBato]

Okay RPG_Master...I see that is time for me to shut you up.
'I don't hate J-Pop because I don't understand the language.'
I made this statement to rebuke an earlier statement made by Static saying that the only reason I dislike J-Pop was because of the language barrier. I was saying that this was not true. As far as lyrics being an important part of music, yes you are right. But emotion and feeling in those lyrics are also important. A musically inclined person can tell what a person is singing about no matter what language they are singing in. That is my problem with J-Pop, the emotion and feeling is fake. There is nothing real to it.
Next statement;
'Besides, its not like I'm lying. Why do you think there are musicians from all around the world that make it big in America but not in Japan'.
This statement refers to simple fact, Americans listen to and purchase more music than in any country in the world. We have held this record for quite some time. Our record labels are some of the biggest in the world with divisions everywhere...need I remind you of Def Jam: Japan? Think about it, we as Americans have more well known internationlly known music acts than anyone else. Gaining commercial succes in America is something many musicians dream of and for good reason. You make it Stateside, you make it anywhere.
Three: 'I sit infront of the T.V. and listen to a bunch of tone deaf females, sing songs that I always felt were beyond idiotic'.
Okay...I normally don't repeat myself, but for a dumbass like you, I'll make an exception. Music is not always about words. Sometimes it is about emotion and feeling. When a song has a feeling of happiness to it, we feel happy. When it has a feeling of sadness to it, we feel sad. See what I mean? Your counter-statement should be deleted immediately, for your own good.
Four: 'I would not start an arguement of this type without having some prior knowledge of what I'm talking about'.
Okay buddy, guess what? You don't need skill to work a DV-R...it comes with an instruction manual. Enough said.
Last: 'I've been watching anime as long as you and have listened to crappy anime theme song after crappy anime theme song which gives me the ability to make, as you say 'informed decision'. Your reaction to this statement?
'J-Pop =/= anime theme songs...' Yeah, not nessecarily.
Here, let me show you;
First theme song 'Bleach', first, second, and third theme songs 'Naruto', theme song/ending theme song, entire musical collection of series 'Fooly Cooly'. I could continue, but I would simply be overstating my point. Some animes have good theme songs. Most don't. Next time, think about facts before you start spewing out opinions.


PS: 'You kinda suck O_o;'? Yeah, my feelings are really hurt right now...fuckin' assclown.

[RPG_Masterz]

Oh isht. A giant wall of text.

A musically inclined person can tell what a person is singing about no matter what language they are singing in. That is my problem with J-Pop, the emotion and feeling is fake. There is nothing real to it.Words have meaning too that add to the emotion and feeling that you seem to look for so importantly. How can you say it's fake if all you're listening, or can listen to, is whether the song is happy, sad, anger, etc.

This statement refers to simple fact, Americans listen to and purchase more music than in any country in the world. We have held this record for quite some time. Our record labels are some of the biggest in the world with divisions everywhere...need I remind you of Def Jam: Japan? Think about it, we as Americans have more well known internationlly known music acts than anyone else. Gaining commercial succes in America is something many musicians dream of and for good reason. You make it Stateside, you make it anywhere.That only counters half my argument though. They're already doing well in their own defined market (or range of audience). From the looks of mainstream, it looks like the majority of the US is hiphop and rock dominance. Not breaking into the US scene doesn't mean you can't make connections to the rest of the world.

Okay...I normally don't repeat myself, but for a dumbass like you, I'll make an exception. Music is not always about words. Sometimes it is about emotion and feeling. When a song has a feeling of happiness to it, we feel happy. When it has a feeling of sadness to it, we feel sad. See what I mean? Your counter-statement should be deleted immediately, for your own good.I can make a foreign song about killing babies and kicking them around in trash cans and make it sound happy you know. I don't normally repeat myself, but for a dumbass like you I'll make an exception blahbalbhblah blah.

Your reason for not liking for J-Pop so far is you can't stand the fake emotion that it emits. You also admit you don't understand the language. So what we have here is you listening a song and only justifying its theme. My counter statement, which I said earlier, is words have meaning too and lyrics makes half the song unless it's vocal-less. If you want I can give you analogies to further the point I'm trying to get across.

Four: 'I would not start an arguement of this type without having some prior knowledge of what I'm talking about'.
Okay buddy, guess what? You don't need skill to work a DV-R...it comes with an instruction manual. Enough said.I said that in response to your "I have sufficient knowledge!!11one" claim because that's ALL you've hacked on about.

Last: 'I've been watching anime as long as you and have listened to crappy anime theme song after crappy anime theme song which gives me the ability to make, as you say 'informed decision'. Your reaction to this statement?
'J-Pop =/= anime theme songs...' Yeah, not nessecarily.
Here, let me show you;
First theme song 'Bleach', first, second, and third theme songs 'Naruto', theme song/ending theme song, entire musical collection of series 'Fooly Cooly'. I could continue, but I would simply be overstating my point. Some animes have good theme songs. Most don't. Next time, think about facts before you start spewing out opinions.I've noticed the fact you JUST hack on about anime theme song and then your topic is "J-pop sucks". All J-Pop isn't anime theme songs, and not all anime theme songs are J-Pop. That's what I'm getting at. Strange how you knew I was calling you a hypocrite on Page 1 but you didn't get my earlier counter. All you've been doing is listening to anime theme songs and generalising the entire genre of J-pop sucks when it just consists of a small crappy proportion.

PS: 'You kinda suck O_o;'? Yeah, my feelings are really hurt right now...fuckin' assclown.You do make it sound like your feelings are hurt and I haven't even attacked you personally. You....do suck. O_o;

[CoreyBato]

Jesus fucking...dude, what the hell are you a cock roach, because you sure as hell can't keep mine's out of your mouth!

Okay, emotion in a song is about more than just feeling something, its about hearing that sound inside of the singer's voice. Not just the words but the way the words are said. The tone, the pitch, and so many other things. That's why they say that music transcends language...it reaches into our souls and drags out things we didn't know we had whether they are good or bad. That is why J-Pop is fake. You can't feel anything out of that. It's not real music, it is the product of a group of people taking something as pure as music and corrupting it inorder for them to make money, by using some dumbass chick who only wants to be in the limelight to do it.

You say all J-Pop isn't anime related...I know that. We are talking about the use of J-Pop in anime. Maybe you can try reading the post fully before you reply to it. Nad further more...I have a friend at school who happens to listen to 'non-anime' related J-Pop. And just to give it a chance I listed to that bullshit for an entire week straight, thinking that maybe their would be a good J-Pop song that I would actually like. There wasn't.

You talked about how my only skill was using my DV-R, I say again...it comes with an instruction man-u-al. You seem not to understand that surprisingly overwhelming factor.

As far as your statement goes about why should a Japanese artist want to make it in America...there is one very simple answer to that. International fame, the right to brag to all others that they are a breakout artist in a country in which Japanese music is not readily embraced. That also means that because of the fact that we Americans buy so much music there is also one other littl, tiny, insignificant you should try to remember...MONEY!!! THEY WOULD MAKE LOT'S OF MONEY!!! MORE MONEY THEN THEY WOULD MAKE AT HOME IN JAPAN!!!

And lastly, this really made me laugh at you 'You...kinda suck O_o;' and my subsequent anwser of 'Yeah, my feelings are really hurt right now...fuckin assclown'. It is time I teach you your new word for the day...what is it children?

Children: SARCASM!

That's right kids, SARCARSM. If you, in your unparalled state of stupidity, do not understand what the concept of sarcasm is, I would suggest that you do the one smart thing you sould ever do in your life and look it up in dictionary. Then you would understand that you really didn't hurt my feelings and that I was simply addressing the fact that you result to using such childish terms as 'you suck' in a battle of wits. Then again... I guess I can't expect too much intelligence from a guy who has a Sonic the Hedgehog character as his avatar.

[Squall1015]

I just found out how much typing there is on the last few comment/reply

[The DBZ Fan Boy]

Knuckels is cool though, forget that he has him, KNux is cool.

[ZeroEverlast]

Indent, man.

Just looking at that uniform wall of text makes me not want to read it.

[RPG_Masterz]

Okay, emotion in a song is about more than just feeling something, its about hearing that sound inside of the singer's voice. Not just the words but the way the words are said. The tone, the pitch, and so many other things. That's why they say that music transcends language...it reaches into our souls and drags out things we didn't know we had whether they are good or bad. That is why J-Pop is fake.And that magically makes us understand any foreign language, how? You're telling me you can listen to any song, not understand a word from it, and then conclude the genre it hailed from is utter crap. Holy shit, why the fuck do you even watch anime with subtitles.

And all you've managed to do there is describe whether the vocalist can sing or not.

It's not real music, it is the product of a group of people taking something as pure as music and corrupting it inorder for them to make money, by using some dumbass chick who only wants to be in the limelight to do it.Isn't that what they're doing in the US? Hiphop is a good example.

You say all J-Pop isn't anime related...I know that. We are talking about the use of J-Pop in anime. Maybe you can try reading the post fully before you reply to it.You can try learning to type actually.

"I have listened to shitty J-Pop music that other people have thought were good and hated those. Case in point...any opening theme and ending theme song from InyuYasha."

You talked about how my only skill was using my DV-R, I say again...it comes with an instruction man-u-al. You seem not to understand that surprisingly overwhelming factor.Man you sure have a liking for taking other people's word out of context. Where did I ever say those three words? Take your own advice and read posts carefully.

As far as your statement goes about why should a Japanese artist want to make it in America...there is one very simple answer to that. International fame, the right to brag to all others that they are a breakout artist in a country in which Japanese music is not readily embraced. According to your logic, you must feel pretty sweet fronting on the internet now. You remind me of Sheol. That guy had more meat in his arguments though. You, kid, over generalise way too much...

That also means that because of the fact that we Americans buy so much music there is also one other littl, tiny, insignificant you should try to remember...MONEY!!! THEY WOULD MAKE LOT'S OF MONEY!!! MORE MONEY THEN THEY WOULD MAKE AT HOME IN JAPAN!!!...actually, what they do nowadays is penetrate the movie industry to go onto international fame.

That's right kids, SARCARSM. If you, in your unparalled state of stupidity, do not understand what the concept of sarcasm is, I would suggest that you do the one smart thing you sould ever do in your life and look it up in dictionary. Then you would understand that you really didn't hurt my feelings and that I was simply addressing the fact that you result to using such childish terms as 'you suck' in a battle of wits. Then again... I guess I can't expect too much intelligence from a guy who has a Sonic the Hedgehog character as his avatar.And again, you demonstrate the fact that you're getting your interbutts hurt. I really should stop fuelling your need for attention.

[Siziol]

I refuse to read BWOTs. Thank god RPG is here to save the day.

[ZeroEverlast]

You remind me of Sheol. That guy had more meat in his arguments though. You, kid, over generalise way too much...

You think, man? Sheol was a pretty good debater, IMHO. Said a lot of things that made sense, even though he didn't always hold the popular opinion.

[RPG_Masterz]

Yeah. I just couldn't really stand his need for attention. It got to the point of annoyance. Annoyance overrides humour, sadly. :(

[CoreyBato]

...I'm annoying? Why didn't anyone tell me this 9 hours ago? I would have quit posting on this fucking thing and asked you to close it.

[Black Ashes]

again...not talking about you.

[RPG_Masterz]

I would be abusing my powers then. I already did it once today, to be honest, so not gonna do it again. I'm out of this thread.

[CoreyBato]

Huh...I'm going to start looking at the back pages to make sure I don't embarrass myself too much.

[ZeroEverlast]

Seriously. You should start reading from the beginning.

[CoreyBato]

Seriously. You should start reading from the beginning.

Yeah, that might help too.

[BSL]

'J-Pop =/= anime theme songs...' Yeah, not nessecarily.
Here, let me show you;
First theme song 'Bleach', first, second, and third theme songs 'Naruto', theme song/ending theme song, entire musical collection of series 'Fooly Cooly'. I could continue, but I would simply be overstating my point. Some animes have good theme songs. Most don't. Next time, think about facts before you start spewing out opinions.


tl;dr, only noticed that bit I quoted. Needs more paragraphs.

First BLEACH opening song - Asterisk by Orange Range = J-rock/rap
Second BLEACH opening song - D-technoLife by UVERworld = J-rock
Third BLEACH opening song - Ichirin no Hana by HIGH and MIGHTY COLOR = J-rock
Second BLEACH ending song - Thank you!! by HOME MADE Kazoku = Hip hop?/rap

There are way too many Naruto songs for me to type out completely, so I'll be lazy.

1st OP - J-rock
2nd OP - J-rock
4th OP - Mixture Rock
5th OP - Alternative Rock
6th OP - Punk Rock
3rd ED - J-rock/rap

Not sure how to categorize the rest. And anyone still watching naruto after the fillers must be insane, so we can only assume you haven't heard the filler music.

First Naruto Shippuuden opening song - Nagareboshi ~Shooting Star~ by HOME MADE Kazoku = Hip hop

Haven't watched Fooly Cooly yet, though I assume that they're probably not all J-pop either.

I agree some animes can have horrible music, but some of the supposed horrible music you claim to be J-pop are in fact, NOT J-pop, therefore, your argument is invalid. However, if you were to state that some anime songs are horrible, without mentioning J-pop specifically, I'd agree.

[staticgrave666]

Yes and I must say any song by Home Made Kazoku is quite badass.

[El Wiseguy]

J-Pop. Don't like it? Don't listen to it. The point is that you're taking an effort to post about something that doesn't "mean" anything to you or what not. This means, you're literally wasting your time. You're actually taking time out of your life to bring attention to it.

J-pop: 1
You: 0


That's the reality folks.



Plus:

You think, man? Sheol was a pretty good debater, IMHO. Said a lot of things that made sense, even though he didn't always hold the popular opinion.

I will admit, he had some good points. Then, at the same time, he had a lot of stupid and retarded points as well. He usually made a point through the most stupid wording out there. He'd intentionally write just piss everyone off and he'd attack arguers instead of the argument, which of course is the #1 thing not to do in proper debate.

[ZeroEverlast]

z0mg. Ad hominem.