I am sure we have all heard about today's shooting

[Siziol]

32 students and the gunmen dead at Virginia Tech University.

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6376226&clienttype=mobile

for those who have not heard of it yet.

Quite tragic, but this seems to be going on quite more often now.

Meh. Comments and discussion I guess, just a depressing topic.

[El Wiseguy]

It's amazing. People want to kill themselves... sure, be stupid. Go ahead and ruin and end the only shot you have at the greatest gift you get, life. Whatever. But seriously, to take that away from everyone else? To bring people down who have a better perspective on life?

I wish the guy would have survived so he could face the consequences of his actions. Killing himself was the most cowardly part of this whole mess. I cannot even express how disgusted I am right now. Just to know there are people in this world who would do this... gah...

[Siziol]

Do they know who it was yet? Or if the shooting was linked to the school?

Last time I checked, they had not found his identification and was just a Joe Smith.

Or was it that he just went out and killed 32 random people?

[ZeroEverlast]

Hmmm, bad memories resurfacing from the Dawson College shooting last year.

One of my friends was wounded in that incident.

And we'd just begun college at the time too. :(

[sarcaustic]

Geez jump on the thread!!!! Grr....I have the same tokens to offer albeit since all has been said there's no need....Curse you El Wiseguy!!!!

[Melody]

I found another thing about the shooting

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

[sarcaustic]

Thank you very much for the more info. The guy they described, if he could remain calm and shoot people, that says a lot.

[Melody]

Yeah, it's really stupid

Not to mention the fact that he was labeled a "loner"

(http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/virginia_tech_two_hours_of_terror;_ylt=AiqsDDvoTXf n_a5RWv.sHCBH2ocA)

[ZeroEverlast]

It was some 23 year-old South Korean resident alien studying at Virginia Tech.

The news articles I checked all claim that he carried a "disturbing note", but its contents seem to remain hidden.

It'd be a lot easier to form an opinion if his motives were revealed, but so far I can only say that he was a little pussy and utter asswipe for such disrespect of human life.

[Melody]

No kidding. But some of what I've heard is that I guess one of the students killed was his ex-gf.

But what about the bomb threats that were happening up to two weeks before?

[hungrykirby]

yeah that true how could some know do that i mean i wouldent have the guts to walk up to inacent people and shoot them it sickens me how people are in this world

[Siziol]

It'd be a lot easier to form an opinion if his motives were revealed, but so far I can only say that he was a little pussy and utter asswipe for such disrespect of human life.

Go fuckin figure there was a message left on /b/ and hour before the shooting saying it would happen.

It was something like

"hey /b/ I am going to go --- yaddayadda. "


première bullshit and a sick fucking mind that kid had.

[crazeekillsall]

But some of what I've heard is that I guess one of the students killed was his ex-gf.

I heard that, but turns out it was just some girl who was vaguely nice to him, and he became an obsession.

Had an american 'expert' on tv over here (UK) this morning claiming the solution was to arm the students and teachers.

...

Please tell me this isn't a popular option? Not only will you be arming the people most capable of causing damage within the school/uni should they flip, but you give them pistols, someone's gonna just bring a rifle.

[Melody]

Had an american 'expert' on tv over here (UK) this morning claiming the solution was to arm the students and teachers.

...

Please tell me this isn't a popular option? Not only will you be arming the people most capable of causing damage within the school/uni should they flip, but you give them pistols, someone's gonna just bring a rifle.

Yeah no kidding. There is no point in giving MORE people weapons. I think if anything, they should put more security on school grounds.

[BSL]

Go fuckin figure there was a message left on /b/ and hour before the shooting saying it would happen.

It was something like

"hey /b/ I am going to go --- yaddayadda. "


première bullshit and a sick fucking mind that kid had.

What post? Picture/link please (even though a link would most probably be gone by now).

[El Wiseguy]

Had an american 'expert' on tv over here (UK) this morning claiming the solution was to arm the students and teachers.

...

Please tell me this isn't a popular option? Not only will you be arming the people most capable of causing damage within the school/uni should they flip, but you give them pistols, someone's gonna just bring a rifle.

I haven't heard of this. And no, this wouldn't be a popular opinion or option at all. I know everyone thinks we're gun happy here in America, but we're really not.

[z311y]

I haven't heard of this. And no, this wouldn't be a popular opinion or option at all. I know everyone thinks we're gun happy here in America, but we're really not.

Agreed. At least in the area where I live. The people I know who own guns use them for recreaction; which albeit I don't understand, but hey, as long your not killing anyone or anything.

[Rae Sage]

I heard on the news that Cho wasn't all that mentaly stable, at least i think thats how they said it, and his professers had great concern about his mind after reading his sink and twisted papers and recomended he needed to see a counsuler. So there was warning signs.

but basicaly this all happened because the way the world is turning. You can't turn to one channel, excluding the religious channels, and not see some sort of violence and such.

To me its like the media says its okay for you to do something violent. Espicaly how the news seems to love it and repeat the same freaking story every three minutes.

[ZeroEverlast]

Go fuckin figure there was a message left on /b/ and hour before the shooting saying it would happen.

It was something like

"hey /b/ I am going to go --- yaddayadda. "


première bullshit and a sick fucking mind that kid had.

Meh, I saw an image of the supposed post, but I figure it was fake. It'd be too easy to forge and I'm pretty sure we would've heard more about it from the news, just like that huge vampirefreaks.com controversy after the Dawson shooting.


PS: You broke a rule of the internets.


Agreed. At least in the area where I live. The people I know who own guns use them for recreaction; which albeit I don't understand, but hey, as long your not killing anyone or anything.

Guns for recreation eh?

That's America for you.

[Shape]

Interesting how the college recently started a zero-tolerance gun control rule. As tragic and sad as this is, getting rid of guns is not a tangible solution. This makes public places targets for a madman such as this guy. If someone had a gun or the school was open to possession, I doubt he'd have been so ballsy. I feel less safe in libraries than open public squares. I'd love to think getting rid of guns (with 200 million firearms in this country alone, good luck) would solve it all...but it won't. And frankly, I don't like the idea of cops and military being the only ones with guns. This image that gun owners are by nature cold-blooded murderers is over-blown and incorrect. And Jesus, we have stories in our newspapers about how the police's ordinances are getting bigger, heavier, and more explosive. In a big government democracy, ideas of "peace" are maintained...with force. This shooting doesn't make me want gun control; it makes me want less.

And no, I don't think every American should carry a firearm.

[sarcaustic]

What rule?

[Shape]

What rule?

The zero tolerance gun rule, as I mentioned. Read next time.

Seeing as you're to lazy to google it yourself, here ya go.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

[sarcaustic]

Thanks very much.

[Tora]

But what about the bomb threats that were happening up to two weeks before?

I read a lot of different News Sites and what I've heard was that, Cho Seung-Hui was testing their security.

If you check on MSN's news, there's a video you can watch there. It's a video of Cho explaining why he did this. They said he was a 'loner' and that he hated the "Brats" with a lot of money. Cho said in his video that he hated the ones with nice things like gold jewelry and nice clothes.

I think he just went crazy, really. >>

[hungrykirby]

yeah i was ganna watch that vidio but forgot to it on msn.com page

[The DBZ Fan Boy]

I think the dudes gf was cheating on him then other students saw, aand you know the rest.

[hungrykirby]

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=925bc281-ce20-439e-9682-8cc58066b2bf&p=hotvideo_m_vatech&t=c3556&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/?GT1=9246&fg=

it the vidio he sent

[Siziol]

PS: You broke a rule of the internets.


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*hits edit button

[Tora]

Cho was a creep. After his girlfriend left him, he went crazy. >>
& They said that he liked a lot of girls but they didn't like
him, so he started stalking them and following them around. .__.
*Shivers.*

[sarcaustic]

Scary.

[Siziol]

The ironic thing, is he blames the other people for having to spill "his blood"

[Tora]

People picked on him. I just researched the Virginia Tech Shooting again to see any updates. ;P

And it said that he was always picked on. His name was "Loner" and "The Question Mark Kid". *Shrugs.* I didn't read the whole thing. Maybe he felt so hurt, that he said stupid stuff like that.

[El Wiseguy]

Oh wow, he was picked on. Wow, great reason to do what he did. Deal with it by growing up and getting a life.

[Tora]

Cho had a mental issue. >__>

[z311y]

Wasn't diagnosed soon enough apparently.

[The DBZ Fan Boy]

He shouldn't have go that mad, he probably whould have grown up with a good job and stuff, if he didn't do this, yet another sit. where people don't use there heads.

[ZeroEverlast]

Hmmm, no.

The kind of thing he went through... it's tough. Especially if you don't have any friends to turn to. Eventually, you lose sight of whatever is tethering you to reality and find that death can't possibly be much worse than what you're going through anyway. You lose faith in the value of life.

And by "tough", I don't mean emotional or mental anguish. It's more like a huge profound boredom with everything.

I think everyone experiences this kind of thing to some degree in their teenage years. They usually manage to snap out of it or naturally mature out of it, but some people have more trouble with it.

Anyways, I still think what he did was wrong and there is no excuse for his crimes. Nonetheless, I think it's important to remember that, in the end, he was just a person just like all of us.

[staticgrave666]

I think the problem lies more in the child's over all view on life then his "mental issues". If one picks on you, it's not license to go off the handle and kill everyone. Granted life's a bitch, but we deal with it,why couldn't he? To many people focus on the bad, this kid had shelter, food, and he was in collage. So what if he was picked on? In that situation the good out weighs the bad.

[SyntaxSnack]

Hmmm, no.

The kind of thing he went through... it's tough. Especially if you don't have any friends to turn to. Eventually, you lose sight of whatever is tethering you to reality and find that death can't possibly be much worse than what you're going through anyway. You lose faith in the value of life.

And by "tough", I don't mean emotional or mental anguish. It's more like a huge profound boredom with everything.

I think everyone experiences this kind of thing to some degree in their teenage years. They usually manage to snap out of it or naturally mature out of it, but some people have more trouble with it.

Anyways, I still think what he did was wrong and there is no excuse for his crimes. Nonetheless, I think it's important to remember that, in the end, he was just a person just like all of us.

Agreed!

Very few people know what it feels like to go through life being belittled every day. I imagine it'd be really difficult for anyone to live each day, never feeling like anyone around you cares about you. Being told repetitavely that you're worthless.

Most people would become hurt. Some resentful. But this... this is the kind of thing a healthy human in a healthy environment could never be a product of. Something here went seriously wrong.

[sarcaustic]

Tis the universal question of nature vs nurture. Personally it's a combo of both. Ya got your personality and then what environment you grow up in.

[CoreyBato]

Its funny though. This guy was alot like me in some ways. I used to be really emotionally repressed, I didn't talk to people when they talked to me, I was always in the back of class trying to be invisible. I always thought that people were talking about me behind my back and plotting against me, so I just shut myself off to everyone to try and keep myself from being hurt.
You're right Zero it was hard. Then I went to counseling, and I discovered something about myself...I was causing myself to be lonely. I was the one keeping people away. It was the same thing with Cho. He wanted to be lonely, it wasn't that no one wanted to embrace him as a friend, it was that he didn't want to embrace them.
If I hadn't gotten my counsoling, I may have ended up like him. I really don't know. But my point is, I'm different now and better for it. If only he had gone to seek some help, he would have ended up being a better person...now I guess us and 32 other people won't ever know.

[Siziol]

lawl? you weren't the one shooting up the school were you?

No. Alright? Then no one cares.

You can't expect to understand someone completely outside of your situation, or believe others to believe you understand someone completely outside their situation.

[ZeroEverlast]

I think it's less about comprehension and more about empathy.

[sarcaustic]

Yes exactly!!!!

[El Wiseguy]

The point is that it happened. Everyone is trying to figure out why so they can try to help it to not happen again. But, it is going to happen again because people have access to what they need to pull it off and there are some really sick people out there that won't allow themselves to get help.

[ZeroEverlast]

A lot of people seem to think the issue is gun control.

But what's actually gotten people so upset is that all these shootings are happening within the grounds of academic institutions, establishments that are devoted to knowledge and education, where safety shouldn't even have to be an issue.

[BSL]

All these precautions against guns. When the problem here is a human. Is it just me or are people going about this issue the wrong way?

[sarcaustic]

It's not you. The problem is that if we were to look at it that way there would be a whole heck of a lot more to do.

[Shape]

um. it fits, again.

Interesting how the college recently started a zero-tolerance gun control rule. As tragic and sad as this is, getting rid of guns is not a tangible solution. This makes public places targets for a madman such as this guy. If someone had a gun or the school was open to possession, I doubt he'd have been so ballsy. I feel less safe in libraries than open public squares. I'd love to think getting rid of guns (with 200 million firearms in this country alone, good luck) would solve it all...but it won't. And frankly, I don't like the idea of cops and military being the only ones with guns. This image that gun owners are by nature cold-blooded murderers is over-blown and incorrect. And Jesus, we have stories in our newspapers about how the police's ordinances are getting bigger, heavier, and more explosive. In a big government democracy, ideas of "peace" are maintained...with force. This shooting doesn't make me want gun control; it makes me want less.

And no, I don't think every American should carry a firearm.

[sarcaustic]

Oooh good.

[Anastashia Sage]

eh.. i refused to speak on this one... eh.. i have read like everything i could about this sitituion but i still dont like talkingabout it...

[hungrykirby]

yeah hit is sad and we all most move on with life

[Hiya4523781]

he was crazy I think

[Anastashia Sage]

many people are crazy but that still dont me you go on a massacre. He had alot of rage bulid up and that was his way of releasing it. i am still not through doing my own research on it. though.